Goebbels? Seriously? According to Godwin you have already lost the debate;) And let's not forget the laptop, it ALL goes back to Hunter, at least according to Guiliani. So, trot out your supposed sources and explain how they are not putin propaganda, U.S. rightist propaganda, radical left propaganda, and then explain in what universe is the person who has his military stand off and hammer cities to rubble regardless of the civilian populations to ever be trusted to tell the truth. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and I wouldn't recommend eating anything that has ever come close to putin or his agents. Mass murderers all, as the civilian populations of Grozny, Aleppo, Mariupol, Kharkiv, Bucha, Kiev, and smaller cities and towns too numerous to count can attest...that is those who are still alive. You could also talk to the Russian teenaged draftees sent into Ukraine with no knowledge that they were headed into combat, the Russian mothers who believed that putin was only conducting a "special military operation" to "remove the Nazi government of Ukraine". So many lies, so many dead, none of whom had to die had the psychopathic dictator in the Kremlin managed to mind his own business.